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Olli Incurable Posteur
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Clifton Psycho Posteur
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Posté le: 14/03/2021 21:24 Sujet du message: |
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As usual, great jobs
Slingsby Petrel, à mon gout le plus beau de tous, quoi que le Fafnir ... Ah ces ailes en mouette, un jour ....
Rien de ce qui est fini n'est jamais achevé tant que tout ce qui est commencé n'est pas totalement terminé (Pierre Dac) |
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Hibernatus Fidèle Posteur
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Posté le: 17/03/2021 09:12 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour
Nice construction
Good luck for the future
@++ Christian
Bon sur ce je retourne coller mes morceaux de bois. |
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 19/03/2021 19:42 Sujet du message: |
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Danke Olli, merci Philippe et Christian, pour votre comments gentils
The assembly of the left wing went without delay
Now I could fit both wings on the fuselage. Then I discovered a huge mistake!!! In a kind of having a blind spot I had made the dihedral in the wing equal to the dihedral of the wing connector; ERROR, that had to be half of that , oops.
After some bad moments , I thought better now, than much later in construction.
So I cut out the curvature in the top spar
and with my powerfile I beveled both sides 1 in 10.
I changed the angle in the build board (extensively checked now!) and glued two 1X10mm battens under the topspar to get a stable situation .
. I made suitable pieces of 2x10 mm spruce and glued it between the spar with 24h epoxy with wood dust as filler.
At least now The King Kite looks good, just a few pictures in the garden. .
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Sed Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 19/03/2021 19:51 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour Vincent,
Ouahhh, il est superbe tout monté avec les ailes en mouettes !
Tu travailles vite et bien , et à ce rythme, il sera bientôt prêt à voler !!
Tu as déjà choisi la teinte ?
Bonne continuation.
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 19/03/2021 20:00 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour Serge,
Merci pour votre comments!
There is a lot of work to be done!
I am not sure if I choose the light colour as on my Nemere and Gull, or choose for a darker "plus antique "
Time enough to consider. And I am very curiuos what the weight will be. Patience please
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sebastian92 Serial Posteur
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Posté le: 19/03/2021 21:10 Sujet du message: |
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Hello Vincent !
always you have solutions
ça va faire un joli modèle ! Les ailes ont l'air d'être très étroites par rapport au volume du fuselage… mais j'imagine que les proportions sont respectées.
Encore bravo et au plaisir de suivre ton avance
Pourvu que ça vole, roule, flotte ! normalement j'ai tout bien fait pour…
Un bel avion est un avion qui vole bien ! Marcel Dassault
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Sebastian
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 19/03/2021 22:33 Sujet du message: |
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Hello Sebastian and thanks for your words!
I was glad finding that solution
The dimensions of the wing are prototypical, in the model; wingspan 395cm, chord at the root 30cm at the tip 12cm.
Maybe its just the photo that is gives the impression.
The ailerons are next and they are rather narrow.
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ManfredNeu Accro Posteur
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Posté le: 20/03/2021 10:16 Sujet du message: |
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Hallo Vincent,
es tut gut, dass hier auch einmal von Missgeschicken berichtet wird . Ich könnte damit wohl ein kleines Buch füllen . Jedenfalls die Arbeit am Modell ist grossartig. .
Gruß
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 21/03/2021 11:06 Sujet du message: |
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Hallo Manfred,
Danke fur die heilende Worte
Ohne Fehler gehts leider nicht, aber diese Fehler war nicht notig
Gruß
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Clifton Psycho Posteur
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Posté le: 23/03/2021 13:29 Sujet du message: |
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Je suis toujours surpris et épaté par les solutions que tu trouves. Bravo !
Slingsby Petrel, à mon gout le plus beau de tous, quoi que le Fafnir ... Ah ces ailes en mouette, un jour ....
Rien de ce qui est fini n'est jamais achevé tant que tout ce qui est commencé n'est pas totalement terminé (Pierre Dac) |
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caralp_laurent Psycho Posteur
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Posté le: 25/03/2021 09:49 Sujet du message: |
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Hi Vincent,
Goodjob, it's superb !
Friendly,
Lolo
Lolométéo, rétro addict ;o)
"On commence à vieillir quand on remplace ses rêves par des regrets"
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 27/03/2021 19:48 Sujet du message: |
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Merci Philippe et Lolo, J'ai bien besoin de vos mots apres le probleme avec le "V" dans les ailes.....
Now that the basic structure of the wings was ready, it was time for the ailerons and flaps. First the ailerons.
I found differences between the ribs in the drawing and the photos
In the drawing, the aileron even seems to consist of two parts, of which nothing can be found in the photo. I therefore decided not to divide the aileron in two parts. Another problem was that the aileron was “enclosed” on both sides. I therefore chose the same hinges as the horizontal stabilizer. The aileron remains removable. With the help of a curved strip you can unlock all hinges at the same time, place the aileron, and then remove
the strips.
After cutting off the aileron from the wing, I realized how long and narrow it was, 115cm long and 4.5cm wide.
The profile choice did not help either, unfortunately. The aileron was therefore only 6-7mm thick. I also became convinced that I had to control the aileron in two places and luckily was able to find place for an extra servo in the wing.
The balsa ribs in the aileron were very thin and fragile. So I replaced the balsa ribs with 2mm solid spruce, took out one, replaced it with spruce, went on to the next, so that I kept the dimensions
I wanted to make a plywood D section for the nose of the aileron. With boiling water I bent U profiles of 0.6 plywood around a 6mm tube and let them dry. I slid the aileron skeleton into this profile and clamped it to a plate with a batten. I had covered both the batten and the board with tape, in order not to get adhesion with glue. I also built in some twisting. I set the plank upright and dripped thin cyano between the rib skeleton and the plywood U profile.
. Now I had a much firmer unit. I further built up the rear frame with 0.6mm plywood and sawed, cut and sanded
the U profile and the TE into shape. Then I added capstrips and the aileron was finished roughly, still needed some sanding.
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caralp_laurent Psycho Posteur
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Posté le: 28/03/2021 18:38 Sujet du message: |
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Lolo
Lolométéo, rétro addict ;o)
"On commence à vieillir quand on remplace ses rêves par des regrets"
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ManfredNeu Accro Posteur
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Posté le: 29/03/2021 09:30 Sujet du message: |
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Gute Idee, das mit dem Verkleiden der Querrudernase , und einfach ein klasse Modell .
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 29/03/2021 19:06 Sujet du message: |
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Merci Lolo und Danke Manfred,
Das Idee um dass so zu verleimen ist aus Not geboren
Veileicht hatte es auch met Weissleim geklappt, aber das sinds zoviel oberflache und so hats einfach geklappt.
Es fehlt noch etwas nacharbeit...
(hoffentlich nicht alzu viel Fehler in mein Deutch )
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 09/04/2021 18:52 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour a tous,
After I built the second aileron, I went on with the flaps. These are much shorter (56cm) than the ailerons and completely sheeted. They are even thinner than the ailerons, less than 6mm thick. So I liked to sheet them in one go. I took a strip of 9cm wide, 0.6mm plywood, and bended it around a 6mm round rod, whilst pouring over with boiling water, see also this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZUbuMlBck (sorry, Dutch subtitled). Then I clamped and let it dry
Also on the photo is the backbone consisting from the ribs, main spar, back frame with balsa filler strips. It is a very weak skeleton. By fitting this skeleton into the folded plywood, I could mark, cut and sand the plywood.
Covered the structure with PVA
and clamp it with a 10X10mm batten en strps of 4mm ply.
After the glue had dried I could fold the plywood “open”, and I drilled 1mm from the inside pilot holes so that I could make the openings at the hinges and rudderhorn later.
I smeared the top of the ribs with glue and clamp the whole thing together, just like before.
With a Dremel I made the openings for the hinges and after some adjustments it fitted neatly into the wing.
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Olli Incurable Posteur
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 22/04/2021 12:34 Sujet du message: |
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Hello everyone,
I wanted to keep the operation of the ailerons and flaps simple, this time not with pull / pull wires, as with the Gull. The pull / pull cables in the wings are nice, but weigh a bit more and there is a bit more friction which is not good for the precision, unfortunately. I thought to make a pull / push rod on the bottom and a dummy control on the top. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out how the flaps were operated, so I also chose a pull-push rod on the bottom of the wing. On the basis of a photo I tried to estimate the size of the rudderhorns.
I came up with very small horns, I drew them twice too big (by hand ..)
My friend Adri was so kind to CNC quite a few. Afterwards the size seemed quite correct
First I made the dummy control at the top of the wing from 0.8mm steel wire, with a non-functional clip
This rod can move freely in a plastic tube glued to a rib. I made the functioning pull / push rod from an M2 threaded rod with quick links
To remove the aileron (to put the Diacov on) I disconnect the quicklinks, unlock the hinge pins and then I can detach the aileron with dummy rods and all. The flaps only have a pull-push rod at the bottom
I make these from 1mm steel wire with a guide tube against bending. After some soldering I could check the working of the flaps and ailerons, they worked nicely.
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texier Accro Posteur
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Posté le: 28/04/2021 17:18 Sujet du message: |
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Hello Vincent,
Interesting and realistic tip this dummy push rod
Sylvain.
On appelle idées claires celles qui sont au même degré de confusion que les siennes. |
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 30/04/2021 10:15 Sujet du message: |
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Bomnjour a tous,
The fairing (Farman?) from the wing to the fuselage had to be made. In the original there was a gap between the wing and the fuselage of about 10 centimeters, just big enough to mount the wings. After assembly a strip of plywood went over it
I also wanted to make it like that, seemed nice to me.
In the fairing, the grain of the plywood must run the length of the wing and thus be bent transversely to the grain. I made a small video how I managed to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W6lXoVasmw
After bending I let the plywood dry, cut 1 side (which was needed for the bending)
and then saw off pieces. I started with the TE, narrow pieces
, beveled with a Proxxon power file
with which you can subtly shape those tiny pieces. They are glued to the end rib and fuselage with thick cyano
Where the curvature in the end rib decreases, I also take longer pieces
With something long round I keep the pieces in place.
Sometimes it goes wrong and then I have to cut out a piece. Finally it looks like this
Here the roughly finished fairing with the gap to the wing, which will be covered by a detachable plywood thing. I have to do the sheeting of the wing first.
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Johannes Serial Posteur
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Posté le: 30/04/2021 12:02 Sujet du message: |
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Hi Vincent,
sieht spitzenmäßig aus
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Sed Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 30/04/2021 12:20 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour Vincent,
Magnifique coffrage , le résultat est nickel !
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 01/05/2021 18:36 Sujet du message: |
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Danke Johannes et merci Greg
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ThomasF Incurable Posteur
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Posté le: 01/05/2021 18:52 Sujet du message: |
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Das ist wirklich klasse Vincend, wenn Du da fertig bist schicke ich Dir meinen Rumpf der AFH-4, da habe ich diese Arbeit auf nch dem einfliegen verschoben!
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 01/05/2021 18:58 Sujet du message: |
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Hallo Thomas,
Muss ich die Rumpf doch mal mitnehmen nach Retroplane.....
Hoffentlich gibt noch genugend raum in mein Auto
LG
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 09/05/2021 19:52 Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour a tous,
I always find it difficult to sheet the wing nose with ply . I enjoyed gluing by securing semi-dried PVA with a foil iron. I was unable to bend the plywood sharply enough with water and a foil iron. This is also due to the profile, which has a sharp nose. An additional problem is that the panels have to be skewed to keep the seam parallel to the longitudinal axis. That is why I then tried to pre-bend the panels, as with the aileron, with boiling water and then let them dry.
After that I made them fit and sanded a bevel on it.
In order not to get cramps in my fingers, I came up with an attachment, a thin aluminium profile, attached to the worktop with a G-clamp and covered with sandpaper as anti-slip.
. I smeared both surfaces to be glued with PVA
The glue has to be spread out still. After drying I put such a panel in its place, it can still slide and I heated it with a foil iron to set the glue This turned out to work fine, and the wings got a quick start
The bend in the gull wing also succeeded with two narrow panels.
It begins to look like wings!
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Johannes Serial Posteur
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Posté le: 09/05/2021 20:00 Sujet du message: |
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Boa
100 Rippen
Sieht beeindruckend aus Vincent
LG J
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bocorvin Maniaco Posteur
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Posté le: 09/05/2021 20:07 Sujet du message: |
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Johannes,
Die rippen sind CNC aus balsa, wie sagt man dass auf Deutsch, die darf man nicht zahlen? keine handarbeit?
Aber es bleibt leicht, ein Flugel ist jetzt 750 gr, doch er wurdt vollig mit 0.6mm sperrholz bekleidet, hoffentlich komt er weniger als 1000gr aus.
LG
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caralp_laurent Psycho Posteur
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Posté le: 13/05/2021 12:55 Sujet du message: |
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Congratulations Vincent, it's beautiful
Friendly,
Lolo
Lolométéo, rétro addict ;o)
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