RETROPLANE.net Index du Forum
FAQ - Charte - Rechercher - Fichiers - Membres - S'enregistrer - Annuaire - Vérifier ses messages privés - Connexion

SZD-10 Czapla, scale 1:5
Aller à la page Précédente
1, 2, 3, 4 Suivante

 
Poster un nouveau sujet   Répondre au sujet    RETROPLANE.net Index du Forum -> Constructions Détaillées en Photo
Voir le sujet précédent :: Voir le sujet suivant  
Auteur Message
patte de loup
Incurable Posteur
Incurable Posteur


Inscrit le: 25 Jan 2006
france.gif

Localisation: Alsace (Strasbourg)
Âge: 66 Cancer

MessagePosté le: 08/09/2009 11:42    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

beautiful job, [clap]
But just one remark ,if I can , I think you use plastic film for covering. It is a shame face to this pretty plane. In addition with "solartex " or something like that , you avoid bubbles. Ok it is longer , but more realistic . for a vintage glider. Wink
BTW your plane is beautifu [amen] l Now we are waiting the maidden flight Wink
Pat'



Un "prédateur" des pentes de France et de Navarre
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 09/09/2009 09:11    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

PhotoStory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u0Ghykj2J8



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
loopingfred
Incurable Posteur
Incurable Posteur


Inscrit le: 24 Jan 2006
ireland.gif

Localisation: Dublin - Ireland
Âge: 49 Gémeau

MessagePosté le: 09/09/2009 10:15    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Now that's nice !
Congratulations on a really beautifull job, on a really nice glider [clap]

I have the very detailled factory plans for this machine... And I think detailled photos of the full size one, I think from you [humm]
You relaunch my interrest for this machine big time ! [amen]



"Je ponce, donc j'essuie" - Rachel
MORE BEERS!!!!
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Yahoo Messenger
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 09/09/2009 11:15    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi!

I armed myself to the teeth with all Czapla photos that can be found on the Internet, and fellow from Poland send me drawings that I was able to use for making all necessarry drawings and plans.

Off course if someone want to build this glider and make scale cockpit interior, some aditional info (photos&drawings) would be nice.
I didnt bother with cockpit interior for now. I just put two pilots inside (shoulders up only).

I am very anxious about the first flight.

I plan to do it such way:

First "flight" or "jump" will be done in a plain level meadow, (very large without obstacles).
I will use bungee asisted launch. It is a short bungee that can pull 4 kilograms with average speed exceeding 30 km/h. (I test bungee "Mythbuster`s style"...test with 4 kg weight and recording with a camera to measure travel of each frame on the video..finding out a velocity)
At model side of bungee I will use about 50m of line, so if somehow line stay attached to the tow hook, model will be free to fly for about 100m in length. Just a safety percaution, and a way to avoid model to land just to the spike where a bungee is anchored to the ground.

A friend of mine, will hold a glider level and tension the bungee chord . Then he will make copule steps (about 10 steps rearward), holding model level make some fast steps forward and release it from hands. The bungee will accelerate model some 10 feets and model will be in the air. From those 2 meters of height it will glide until land.
I will probably make safe landing and then do all necessary corrections on the trim and controll throws.

Then will do some more short flights.

If everything went well, we will try start model from a little slope above this field (~5m high) and probably will be able do do some S or U flights until land.

And then.... the real slope or aerotowing on the nearest model airfield.

What do you think about the described approach?
Any suggestions? Warnings? Hints and tips?
What C.G: location is better for first start? Forward, middle or rearward (regarding calculated C.G.)...

Mitja



Never try, never fail....


Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
loopingfred
Incurable Posteur
Incurable Posteur


Inscrit le: 24 Jan 2006
ireland.gif

Localisation: Dublin - Ireland
Âge: 49 Gémeau

MessagePosté le: 09/09/2009 11:33    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi Mitja,

When I first test the models, I put the CG to the middle calculated range (never too much forward, well, I try Wink as you will basically fly a truck...).
Then, I do a launch on flat if the model is not too big to be hand launched safely, and then, straight to the slope !
Bungee testing can be a bit tricky IMO as it's never too good for the model safety to have an fast accelerating model, for the fly test, so close to the ground .
On the slope, at least, you have the safety of "altitude" straight from the start, and the possibility to land quickly if something go wrong. (depending of the configuration of the slope of course)
So, for me, test flight, first, a launch on flat to see how the model react, to start to "feel" it.
Then, slope or tow straight away Very Happy



"Je ponce, donc j'essuie" - Rachel
MORE BEERS!!!!
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Yahoo Messenger
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 09/09/2009 11:55    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks a lot!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 11/09/2009 19:13    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I am finished with work and now praying for a nice weather tomorrow. [oouf] [peur]




I set controll surfaces deflections:

Rudder: 30° left&right, 30 EXPO
Elevator: +/- 20°, 30 EXPO
Ailerons: down 10°/up 15°, 30 EXPO (frise type ailerons)

What do you think? It is my judgment, but I dont know if model will be lazy or too lively....

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 12/09/2009 12:50    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi!

Today I made some short flights with a model. Very Happy
I need to add some nose weight and lower the controll throws, as model was lively and nervous when flying.

But awerall feeling about model is pretty well. I think, it will be a pleasant flyer after CG and deflections will be properly set.

Here are some photos and a short video (click):

Model assembly on the field.














I use 40m of a thin chord and 6 bicycle inner tyres as a bungee chord, joined in length. It was about 20 steps of usable elasticy..just enough for a nice asisted launch of the model.





















Next flights will be much easier now.

Regards!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 12/09/2009 19:16    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

And one vintage look short video clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lj3SJDzVDo


Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
Frédéric
Psycho Posteur
Psycho Posteur


Inscrit le: 22 Juin 2006
europe.gif

Localisation: Corrèze
Âge: 59 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 12/09/2009 20:06    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hello Mitja !

Splendid glider !
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]

Amicalement
Frédéric Wink






"L'eau plate ne favorise pas le vol de pente." Otto Lilienthal
"In Cyano véritas" Michel Coneuf
"Veni, bibi, vomi" Pasqual VOMITINO
Retroplane fort et vert !
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Envoyer un e-mail
patte de loup
Incurable Posteur
Incurable Posteur


Inscrit le: 25 Jan 2006
france.gif

Localisation: Alsace (Strasbourg)
Âge: 66 Cancer

MessagePosté le: 13/09/2009 09:40    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

hello Mitja,

Congratulations [amen] [clap] [clap]
Seiing your maidden flight, I am sure, you are not so far for taking some big pleasure with your glider
Pat'



Un "prédateur" des pentes de France et de Navarre
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
Texier Serge
Accro Posteur
Accro Posteur


Inscrit le: 17 Juin 2006
france.gif

Localisation: Beaumont de Lomagne
Âge: 74 Lion

MessagePosté le: 13/09/2009 10:00    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Very nice !! [clap]



I like a lot your approach of teaching in your Posts, in the presentation of your pictures and your videos.

Good luck for your next flight.



Un atterrissage est réputé terminé lorsque le dernier morceau cesse de rebondir.

Serge
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
caralp_laurent
Psycho Posteur
Psycho Posteur


Inscrit le: 30 Jan 2006
france.gif

Localisation: La Houssaye en Brie 77
Âge: 52 Gémeau

MessagePosté le: 13/09/2009 13:27    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi Mitja,
very nice glider and little bungee flights ! [clap] [amen]
It seems to be light isn't it ?

Congratulations Wink !

Lolométéo



Lolométéo, rétro addict ;o)

"On commence à vieillir quand on remplace ses rêves par des regrets"
Sénèque
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Envoyer un e-mail
cw
Accro Posteur
Accro Posteur


Inscrit le: 06 Juil 2008
uk.gif

Localisation: Blandford, Dorset, Southern England
Âge: 76 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 13/09/2009 22:11    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Nice job Mitja...


cw
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Envoyer un e-mail
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/09/2009 17:19    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks!

Hey, great news!!!

Today I was present on an aerotow meeting. A giant Piper towing plane take my Czapla to the heights!

I was very concerned before the actual towing as it was my first time. But they told me, it was just O.K. for a first timer. I jump a little to much up and down behind a tow plane but we manage to rise to decent altitude.
I trim a little to down and right and then enjoy the graceful slow flight of the sailplane. I think, I even made some turns in a brief thermall, but I was too concern of aquinting myself with model, and more concentrating to pure fligtr rather than centering a thermal. I was a little high at final, but I didn`t want to risk another 360° turn, so I open brakes, make some "S" approach and manage to land on the field.

Now I am more convinced about the plane and my ability to fly it, so next step is to fly on the slope, when apropriate wind will starts to blow.

But of course I will attend next gathering of aerotow enthusiasts in a month or so...

Some photos of today`s meeting:



Assembling the glider.







Group photo.



Parking....



Towplane, semiscale Piper Super Cub







My Czapla was only Vintage.. all others were glass ships...



Some of them really big and elegant....


And a short VIDEO of first aerotowing (click)

Regards!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
GuillaumeG
Accro Posteur
Accro Posteur


Inscrit le: 04 Mar 2006
germany.gif

Localisation: Munich / Savoie (73)
Âge: 40 Vierge

MessagePosté le: 19/09/2009 17:48    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Congratulations for your first towing and real flight with the Czapla!!

Very nice flight and video. Enjoy the next ones!! [clap]
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé MSN Messenger
Stephan
Psycho Posteur
Psycho Posteur


Inscrit le: 15 Mar 2006
germany.gif

Localisation: Pattensen/Hanovre-Allemagne
Âge: 65 Bélier

MessagePosté le: 19/09/2009 19:58    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Mitja
congratulation for this nice glider and its first flight. Only one remarque, the towplane was by far to fast Confused
Cheers
Stephan
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 20/09/2009 05:18    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks!
I will try to enjoy next fligts indeed.
Regarding the speed of aerotowing, maybe those vertical oscillations I made with a glider was partly induced by my unexperience in towing and partly from a fast flight of towplane. More speed equalls more sensitive elevator...

Some pilots said to me after my flight, that I should just to controll the roll axis, and not bother much with pitch as glider will take a proper altitude behind towplane by itself, as his nose is pulled by a towing rope so he cant drift a lot from a towing direction.
Well, next time I will try to pay more attention to that.

Just now I am waiting for a proper weather forecast, to fly on the slope. I would like to fly slope as there you can enjoy glider flying very close and see it clearly. You can fly at eye level, but model is still high over the ground. I would like to make allso some nice flyby photos and video clips.

Yesterday the light was bad and was no good for shooting...

Now this project is moving to its end and about in a month, a SZD-10 Czapla KIT complete should be available for the builders.
Wait for further info here!

Regards!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 27/09/2009 11:41    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi!

An unexpected outcome of this project just happens to me!

I did not agree with option that give me "would be" KIT producer, that ask from me designing of this sailplane, so now I am free in search for another KIT producer, that is maybe interested in this sailplane.

If I will not find a producer from Europe or East, I will probably start to sell plans and files on my website.

See here for further information, if you are interested in KIT production and sale:
http://ultralajt.webs.com/szd10czapla.htm

Regards!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 30/09/2009 17:41    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi!

Today I made a first flight on the slope with Czapla!

It was even better than I imagine! Very Happy

I was amazed with agility and soaring capability! Model responds very prompt on the controls, but they should be very harmonized and coordinated. Strong use of rudder is needed when put in or out of a turn, but then Czapla can turn in very small radius (look at the video)

There were a little low wind and on moments it allso dissapear, but luckily some thermalls save me a couple of times. Model soars very nicely.

At some higher speed the voice that model produce sounds very "vintage" and it is awesome to hear it!

Here are some photos, and at the bottom you will find a link to teh short video of that flying.



Assembly of the model on the starting place.



Checking the model and waiting for a headwind.



Starting! Laughing What a figure?!





































And a VIDEO (click)


Regards!

Happy Mitja Wink



Never try, never fail....


Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
czirh
Accro Posteur
Accro Posteur


Inscrit le: 21 Fév 2009
turkey.gif

Localisation: Bodrum, Turkey
Âge: 61 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 30/09/2009 19:59    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Nice slope soaring & video..
Congratulation.. [clap]



Cem Zırh
Fafnir
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
Olivier
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 02 Aoû 2009
switzerland.gif

Localisation: Lausanne
Âge: 37 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 30/09/2009 20:00    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

She's a beauty... [bave]

Congratulations ! [clap]
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 14/04/2010 11:51    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi!

Long time no see.... Very Happy

Czapla is stil alive. It went under minor maintenance work.

Last week, I replace the clear plastic on the canopy as I want to place mini camera in the cockpit and old canopy was not so clear. There was some "foggy" places on the canopy as result of CA glue fumes.

Another thing was that I noticed in flight tendency of the model to bank left. Model need quite a lot right aileron trim. I find out, that right wing is lighter than left one and that left wing has slightly lower twist as needed to be.

I clamp wing on the bench, twist it and heat it with a hort air gun. Left uder twisting load for couple days and check the new twist. It is not perfect, but close enough. I am still afraid that this is not permanent solution. Hopefully teh balsa skin combined with tension and heat will remain in newer shape.....

I also glue some lead weight into right servo bay (aileron servo) to statically balance the wings. 24g was needed. Hopefully that will do...

On the sunday I will go to local aerotowing meeting, where I will test those modifications. I hope that the weather will be fine.

I am looking forward to take some cockpit video clips!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 08:17    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Yesterday we have a meet of Scale gliders in Ajdovscina airfield.

I made 3 tows with my Czapla.

here is a video clip of first one!

Enjoy!

Movie (click)



Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
Anonyme
Serial Posteur
Serial Posteur


Inscrit le: 26 Jan 2006
blank.gif


MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 10:38    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Very nice video, it would be nicer if the pilot could turn his head on the left and on the right ! Maybe in next vintage scale sailplane model ? Very Happy
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 11:15    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

« Hecquetmarc » a écrit:
Very nice video, it would be nicer if the pilot could turn his head on the left and on the right ! Maybe in next vintage scale sailplane model ? Very Happy
I am affraid to cut his head off... MDR
Must first be very angry on him!

Yes, it could be done and it is not a bad idea at all! I can hide a small cheap servo in the upper body and connect head direct to the servo output shaft.

But frankly I intend to remove pilot in the future to get unobstructed view forward and make another camera stand to get more movement and isolate servos to get more pure audio track (just wind over the model "corners") without anoying servo buzzz.
Very Happy

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
Anonyme
Serial Posteur
Serial Posteur


Inscrit le: 26 Jan 2006
blank.gif


MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 11:36    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

You can also directly place the camera inside the pilot's head and film through his eyes ! Laughing
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 11:40    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

« Hecquetmarc » a écrit:
You can also directly place the camera inside the pilot's head and film through his eyes ! Laughing
And store the video inside his brain instead micro memory card MDR MDR MDR MDR

But seriously, I hope to make some more videos from this viewpoint.

Have a nice day!

Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
ultralajt
Fidèle Posteur
Fidèle Posteur


Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2007
slovenia.gif


Âge: 64 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 16:59    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

And another movie with flight No2 and 3.
This time I didnt use music background from Polish author, but instrumental music that I find more apropriate for soaring... Very Happy

VIDEO2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nT_khoH5EE


Mitja



Never try, never fail....
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé Visiter le site web de l'utilisateur
czirh
Accro Posteur
Accro Posteur


Inscrit le: 21 Fév 2009
turkey.gif

Localisation: Bodrum, Turkey
Âge: 61 Sagittaire

MessagePosté le: 19/04/2010 19:49    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hi Mitja,
beautiful videos, congratulations...! [clap] [clap] [clap]



Cem Zırh
Fafnir
Revenir en haut de page
Voir le profil de l'utilisateur Envoyer un message privé
Montrer les messages depuis:   
Poster un nouveau sujet   Répondre au sujet    RETROPLANE.net Index du Forum -> Constructions Détaillées en Photo Toutes les heures sont au format GMT + 1 Heure
Aller à la page Précédente
1, 2, 3, 4 Suivante
Page 3 sur 4

 
Sauter vers:  
Vous ne pouvez pas poster de nouveaux sujets dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas répondre aux sujets dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas éditer vos messages dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas supprimer vos messages dans ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas voter dans les sondages de ce forum
Vous ne pouvez pas joindre des fichiers
Vous pouvez télécharger des fichiers

Zone de Téléchargement du Forum et Site Retroplane


Images aléatoires album Retroplane, clic pour Agrandir

Forum en Flux RSS